R. B. Thieme, Jr.- Heretic on



    According to the Bible, Robert B. Thieme Jr. is a heretic!  I have in front of me a booklet written by R. B. Thieme entitled ,"THE BLOOD OF CHRIST" (ISBN 1-55764-036-X).  I will quote to you from his book in his own words and you can decide for yourself if he's a heretic.  

Quotes of R. B. Thieme, Jr. 

(and my rebuttals)

  • Page 7 of his book--[When the Scripture states that "the life of the flesh is in the blood" (Lev. 17:10-14), it refers to animal flesh only.]  Mr. Thieme evidently didn't want to read the rest of Leviticus 17:11, "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."  I simply cannot believe that a so-called "scholar" on the Bible has found a bunch of things that God hasn't even found.  The Bible says in black and white that it is the "BLOOD" that atones for the soul.  It's still the blood Mr. Thieme!

  • Page 15--[We must understand that the animal's death was not a picture of Christ's physical death]  Oh?  Then why did the lamb have to be a young male lamb, without spot nor blemish? (Exodus 12:5-8).  The reason is simply because the LAMB pictured the LAMB OF GOD, JESUS CHRIST.  "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8).  "And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!" (John 1:36).  The death of the animal lamb most definitely pictured the physical death of Jesus Christ.  

  • Page 15--[Jesus Christ remained physically alive after His salvation work was finished]  This is a lie!  Jesus' work of atonement was NOT finished upon the cross.  Jesus hadn't died, been buried or risen from the grave yet when He said, "It is finished."  Jesus was simply referring to all the prophecies concerning Himself.  Jesus was simply saying that all of the Old Testament prophecies concerning Him had been fulfilled at that time.  

  • Page 18--[The red liquid that ran through the veins and arteries of Jesus' mortal body is not related to our salvation, and there is no biblical basis for attributing any unusual properties to Christ's bodily fluids.  The term "blood of Christ" is far more significant than any magical or mysterious power falsely ascribed to His physical blood by those who are ignorant of doctrine.  John's record indicates that His literal blood was not a factor in either His spiritual or His physical death.]  Mr. Thieme uses John 19:30 to justify his position here.  "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."  Again, Jesus had not died, been buried or rose from the grave when He made this statement.  Whatever was finished, it surely was not salvation.  If Mr. Thieme were not too big for his own britches, he would have also read John 19:28&29, "After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.  Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a sponge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth."  It is obvious that Jesus was very concerned about the Scriptures being fulfilled.  Jesus said, "I thirst," because He knew it had been prophesied in the Old Testament (Psalm 22:15).  Jesus' made sure that everything went as foretold in the Old Testament.  God's Word is true and all prophesies had to be fulfilled.  In John 19:29, Jesus accepted something to quench his dry mouth.  It was upon fulfilling this prophesy that Jesus said, "It is finished."  What was finished?  All the prophesies concerning Christ up until that moment.  This is what Jesus meant, nothing more.  Mr. Thieme is basing a heretical doctrine upon his ignorance of God's Word.  How can someone so smart be so dumb?

  • Page 23--[His literal blood has no spiritual significance]  What does the Bible teach?  1 Peter 1:18&19, "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:"   R. B. Thieme, Jr. is of the devil.  

  • Page 27--[When Hebrews 9:22 states that" without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness," animal blood is in view]  What does the Bible say?  Hebrews 9:12, "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."

  • Page 31--[As the celebrity of the universe, He ascended and was seated, but He did not take any blood with Him to heaven.]  John 20:17 says, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."  Why was it so important that Mary not touch Jesus?  The reason is because He had to apply His shed blood to the mercy-seat in heaven.  Hebrews 9:12 makes this clear.  

  • Page 31--[We have seen in great detail that His mortal, human body fluids have absolutely nothing whatever to do with salvation.]  I would not want to be in this man's shoes for all the money in the world; He is bound straight for hell.  We read in Acts 20:28, "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood."  Did you hear that?  God has purchased the church with His own blood!  God's blood flowed through Christ's veins.  God the Son had the blood of God the Father in His veins.  God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit walked this earth incarnate in the body of our Lord Jesus Christ.  "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." (Colossians 2:8).

  • Page 34--[Our Lord died twice on the cross.]  There is nothing in the Bible to support this nonsense.  Jesus died once and then released His spirit unto the Father (Luke 23:46).  He went to heaven as soon as He died (Luke 23:43).  2 Corinthians 12:4 also indicates that "paradise" is heaven.

  • Page 38--[When believers do not see the true connection between the "blood of Christ" and the animal sacrifices, these same believers are liable to reach erroneous conclusions about the blood of Christ...One extreme example comes from Roman Catholicism, which teaches that the bread transforms into Christ's actual flesh and that the wine becomes the literal blood...but it is no more bizarre than the false idea that the "blood of Christ" is somehow a literal phrase.]  The only thing bizarre about all this is Thieme's off-base book.  The Bible proclaims the importance of the blood of Jesus from cover to cover.  Even at the beginning of the Bible, we find that Able offered God a "blood sacrifice."  Cain made the same mistake that R. B. Thieme, Jr. is making--Making light of the blood.  Just as God rejected Cain's grain offering, so will God reject Mr. Thieme's misguided faith.  Mr. Thieme has found "another Jesus" that the Bible does not portray.  The Jehovah Witnesses teach that Michael the archangel became Jesus upon the earth.  They deny that Jesus is Almighty God.  In the same deceitful manner, Thieme and John MacArthur have diminished the Person of Christ by diminishing the blood that He shed.  By the way, John MacArthur teaches the same garbage that I have just shared with you.  The Bible over and over proclaims the importance and absolute necessity of Jesus blood.  

"And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood," (Revelation 1:7)

"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Revelation 7:14). 

 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death" (Revelation 12:11).  

It appears that R. B. Thieme Jr. has never read the book of Revelation.  

"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin" (1 John 1:7).  

Evidently he didn't read 1 John either.

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;" (Ephesians 1:7).

"But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ" (Ephesians 2:13).  

Are Thieme and MacArthur nuts?  One thing is for sure, they are enemies of the Lord.  They have taken away from the Word of the Lord; therefore, God will take away their part from the Book of life.  

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book" (Revelation 22:19).

There is no excuse for what Thieme and MacArthur have done to God's Word. 

In Jesus name,

David J. Stewart